[dmehew]

Most esoteric teachers and groups sense animals as being part of our ‘family’ and don’t eat them. I feel it’s mainly an energetic issue, being in societies which do not treasure animals as much as they should. This is mainly due to heavy industrialization, where the core of society is reliant on a system which is routine, machine-like, and views the material as primary. The spiritual may still be sensed as necessary or essential, but is set aside because of a fear of survival or deprivation, either of social interaction or material goods. Ancient civilizations lived with more connectedness to all things, and may have seen this as a result of a weakening of their bond to the natural world. I myself believe that higher intelligences interfering with humanity’s development created a situation where consumption of animals was normalized.

[Unknown Member]

You have gave me such a broad way of thinking and perspective about this topic. Thank you David 🙂

[Gabriel Miguel]

Hi Takumi! Welcome to the community brother! Japan is a land that is very dear to my soul, so it’s always nice to meet new brothers and sisters from there 😁

I personally haven’t eaten any meat since 2011/2012, I can’t remember exactly when, I think 2012.

I do consume a good amount of raw milk, first of all because it doesn’t involve the senseless slaughter of any animals, but secondly because the cows (and other animals) are willing to share their milk with us. Anastasia talks about this, and says it’s not a problem to consume milk.

In Book 8.1, Volodya says: “Mama [Anastasia] says it is all right to use anything the animals themselves give to Man.”

From Book 8.2, Grandfather says to Vladimir: “As for animals, they took from them only what the animals themselves gave to Man — milk and eggs, for example. Meat could have been harmful to the stomachs of the first people.”

Also, in Book 8.2, Grandfather says to Vladimir:

“Meat was first consumed by a less-than-complete Man, one drained of the energy of Love. It seems that he either went out of his mind or was infected with the most terrible disease – a disease which has come down to the present day.”

Vladimir responds: “But what connection can there be between love and Man’s first consumption of meat?”

“There is a direct connection. A Man living in love is incapable of killing.”

I’m in complete agreement on the subject — the idea of killing an animal to consume its flesh is unthinkable to me. I’ve been extremely healthy and strong for the last 12 years without eating meat at all.

• This reply was modified 8 months ago by  Gabriel Miguel.

[Unknown Member]

Hello😁

First of all, I would like to say thank you for all your efforts to create this wonderful Anastasia community to you Gabriel. I am now amazed by this philosophy since I am not vegan nor vegetarian. That’s amazing you’ve been able keep yourself healthy and happy body. So according from book, wearing animal skins are also not right. Am I right about this? Things like leather shoes, jacket etc…

[Muriel Wolodarsky]

Hello Takumi,

I love that you’re so open to reading more about the subject of meat. I grew up as a meat eater, both my parents’ cultures rely heavily on the consumption of animals. I have very recently (about a year) finally made a very conscious decision to stop eating animal flesh completely. Though I have had the Anastasia books for quite a while it is very difficult to free ourselves from flesh eating addiction. I am not completely vegan for many of the same reason Gabriel shared. I source my animal products in the most ethical ways I can. I am looking to create the least harm and suffering in this world, a world already so saturated by pain. Though we might believe ourselves to be small and insignificant you cannot forget the great power of love which is light. And by shining light in this world we are bringing out what we as a humanity hide in the shadows.

I know that if you are here, you love this planet, you love LIFE, and to fully surrender to that love, in my opinion, we have to let go of the idea that we can be in coherence with love while still consuming the flesh of innocent beings, that do not want to be killed or eaten.

I do recommend that you try to find sound information on how to best nourish your body, obviously there is a lot of great information in the Ringing Cedar series. What is important is that you learn to have a well varied, well balanced nutrient dense diet, hopefully high raw, low in fat and plant based. You will feel the difference in your body and energy bodies and I know you it will help you in achieving every other thing in your life. To live a long, love-filled, fulfilling life it is essential to find coherency in our thoughts and actions.

Wishing you all the best, and I am looking forward to the meditation today. I am new to this community and I also look forward to connecting with beautiful humans around the world, all looking to co-create the most beautiful world ever imaginable.

Muriel

[Unknown Member]

Hello Muriel

Nice to meet you:) I love your positive vibe and strong passion towards planet with full of love. I can feel from your writing. I will definitely try my best on this and not only what I eat, for what I wear and to make action as understanding and to have right knowledge. You have encouraged me. Thank you !!☺️

[Muriel Wolodarsky]

It’s absolutely what we wear as well. It’s everything. It’s learning to cause as little suffering as possible. Cause absolutely no harm is practically impossible in the world, so much has to change even the mining of the minerals for our technology which uses slave labour. But that’s an other subject. Doing our best does not mean perfection, in any case. It means just that, doing our best. And our best today will bring us to a better best tomorrow as we grow and evolve.

[Tyler Jackson]

I’ve been on and off vegetarian for almost 10 years now. I notice that meat is a very heavy substance for my body to process. I often feel tired and guilty after eating meat. This is mainly because I know that I wouldn’t kill an animal for its meat which makes me feel hypocritical. I’m 99% vegetarian now, with the only time I will eat meat is if I am eating food other people gave me at restaurants or their homes. I no longer pay for meat.

I also have proven to myself that it is more than possible to gain muscle as a vegan. Many omnivores swear that gaining muscle and strength is only viable on a meat based diet. I know for a fact this is not true.

[Unknown Member]

Hello Tyler

You have mentioned important things that when I get invited to others house for dinner. That comes to hard decisions. Whether to enjoy meal together or to reject and only go to vegan. I reckon it is best to have friend who understand and respect our choice.

I’ll do more research on healthy vegan way including gaining muscle. Maybe a lot of beans 🫘 haha

cheers

[Tyler Jackson]

I would recommend soy based foodstuffs, legumes, nuts, and seeds for protein. I make my own trail mix from bulk and then eat Edemame 3-4 times a week. Since I’m not a bodybuilder or powerlifter, I find I need less protein than typically recommended for my strength goals. I just do what works for my needs and tastes good.

[Muriel Wolodarsky]

These are good points and I compeletelg understand. It took me a long time to process through all of this and went through a long period of not buying animal flesh. We can easily take our own foods to dinner parties and yes even risk seeming rude by not accepting food. It might be that act that may spark an interest in someone else and can help bring consciousness to others.

[Michelle Maier]

Interesting discussion,

But I always wonder what it is we are supposed to do with all the male chickens? All the male goats? The bulls, rams, etc. Are we not to keep animals for any purpose at all like companionship? What should my dog or cat eat?

There is also the problem (although it’s not really a problem) of ample abundance of young animals that are naturally produced in an unaltered biological system. We can say that it’s fine for the wolves or coyotes or cats to kill and eat them, but not us? Are we not also part of nature? In an altered biological system, such as my rabbitry, there are *always too many rabbits. And even for those of stellar type and use – such as very desirable angora wooled rabbits- there are probably 50 individuals being produced to make that one stellar, desirable animal. Unless selective breeding is also not good. But I personally cannot believe that. The animal families have benefitted tremendously from partnering with human beings; their development can not be discarded as a meaningless spin off of some loveless carnivorous desire for meat.

Good for thought 🙂

[Unknown Member]

Hello Michelle

It’s great to have these questions and I am here to think about them like you to find out what’s right. Thanks for your honest opinion on this!!

[Muriel Wolodarsky]

This animals you speak of are carnivorous and oils not survive if they do not eat other animals. They also do not hve the same sort of consciousness we do. We not only have the ability to see the pain we cause but also the CHOICE to eat something else. That is where we differentiate and can elevate our vibration. CHOOSING not to cause pain or suffering and there is not way we can do that if we are still killing animals. If you look in the wild carnivores often times go for the young and/or weak. They innately help keep a balance to the animal world. We as humans are breeding animals into suffering, causing then a life of suffering and then killing them. We then eat (if we choose) all those hormones of fear and pain.

[Michelle Maier]

I appreciate that you bring up the CHOICE that a human being has, in contrast to a CHOICE that an animal does not have.
So on this specific choice; does the human being have a choice of how his physiology functions, different than what an animal has? I think the answer is no. Because to say differently would be to rail against the physical reality of ourselves- a reality that is just as important as the spiritual. Whatever arguments about what may in fact, be necessary for human physiology aside; we can definitely ascertain that we do not have a CHOICE about it.

And as has been mentioned before, if Anastasia said that milk and eggs are nutritious and necessary; a loving gift from animals to humans, then husbandry and all the necessary attributes of husbandry are good as well. It would be a contradiction to say that a goat giving milk to the human is good but a human giving food, shelter, protection and intentional management to the goat is not good.

I am not of the opinion that suffering is bad. But to assume that it is bad; it cannot be that husbandry causes suffering. What is left is the moment of death- or anticipation of death- that could be the cause of unnecessary suffering. We already know that the effects of a death cannot be suffering, because intentional management is good; these are the same things. We are left, then, with only the questions about which the human has a CHOICE; the suffering of anticipation of death.

Because death itself is *not* suffering- and it can never be prevented- so there is no choice surrounding this issue. But the suffering of anticipation of death certainly is a just and moral consideration that we should all take seriously.

Animals- and especially lower animals- have no sense of anticipating death. They cannot suffer that particular ordeal. Human beings are the only animal on Earth that can anticipate death, and suffer thereby. What animals may suffer from *is physical, moral or emotional stress caused by humans *because* we tend to devalue the experience of the animal. This is a human mistake. And one easily corrected.

Steiner said that animals have a group soul- and I really do believe this is a foundational truth about mammals in particular. I have farmed goats and cows, chickens, rabbits, pigs, over many years and for many generations. There is a spirit that guides each species, *but not each animal*, as we would tend to think for humans beings. Humans are individually ensouled. Animals are ensouled as a group.

And so, when a particular individual animal is to die, it is literally abandoned by the others. They will leave it and not go back to it; that individual will likewise *not* seek community. In essence, I believe the soul has already left that one. Intentional husbandry can easily spot this distinct and obvious truth.

So what is left for the farmer? To simply choose with intention and respect those animals whose time it is to die, and merely perform with the reality of what is already occurring. One may as well, as one grows in deeper connection to both the land and the stock, see into the future and plan a more fruitful family for the animals- by selective breeding, culling, choosing to hold back or fulfill any of the roles of an intentional husbandry. Not to say that the specific task of creating the environment where one is sure to never disregard the individual animal’s experience, and to be perceptive to the needs of the group as a whole is easy- but the conceptual cure is very clear.

Human beings were meant to be placed *in* and *over* the other kingdoms; not to be a separate bystander. We are here to manage and nurture them in ways that will bring them up and help their development, just as the Angels are here to guide and nurture the development of humanity.

And so, it is not actually a CHOICE that we are to perform these tasks.

I wager, then, it is merely the act of eating the body of the animal that is or is not desirable in a spiritual sense. I tend to think that the animals that I have managed on my land over many generations have a quality of nourishment that cannot be had by any other means.

Cheers.

[River]

I’ve decided to remain an omnivore despite still believing in kins domains. Here is why.

Vegetables in grocery stores are unhealthy for the following reasons. 1. Soil depletion 2. GMO alterations that prevent ripening 3. “Fresh” vegetables sit on trucks and then on shelves for days on end. (Frozen can actually be healthier for this reason.) 4. A lot of people cannot afford organic, telling them off is poor shaming. 5. Stressed plants produce toxins that give some people auto immune issues.(These people have to go carnivore to be healthy.) 6. Vegetable nutrients are less absorbable then nutrients from meat. With absorbency calculated in as well there is no comparison, meat is far better. Big powerful herbivores have bigger/more stomachs then we do. 7. Some things like peanut butter are not refrigerated and gain more anti-nutrients over time.

A lot of land devoted to grazing livestock is not farmable. In some areas hundreds of wild pigs are massacred and their bodies dumped to rot in order to protect crops. Deer hunting also protects crops from devastation. If everyone went vegan animals would still be killed.

There are a lot of examples of unhealthy vegetarians, especially vegans and most especially raw food vegans. Their teeth blacken, they age really fast, they become infertile, thyroid issues are common, they are chalk white and burn easily, they have cold hands and feet even in summer, they are often so thin they look like famine victims. I’m not even going to get into the mental issues some of them have. I know genuinely healthy ones exist but the unhealthy ones are in denial, claim to be healthy and get very aggressive about it.

An established kins domain solves these problems but not everyone is established on their domain yet. I see people pushing vegetarianism before the domain and I wonder if this is why the ringing cedars is less popular in America. I remember once as a child I got to eat homegrown snow peas seconds after picking them. They were so good I ate them like candy. Years later I saw some at an organic grocery store and grabbed some. They tasted like grass, no wonder kids don’t like vegetables.

My mom tells a story of when I was a tiny baby not old enough to eat solid foods of any kind yet. She was eating a t-bone steak and when she finished I grabbed the bone(she did not hand it to me) and vigorously sucked every last molecule of juice out of it. She was kinda shocked as was my grandma. I don’t think I am genetically predisposed toward vegetarianism.

I’ve also wondered about the population issues as well. Are wild carnivores going to step up? Large cats eat deer but are killed off because they eat small children as well. American wolves are not predatory to humans but have a bad reputation because European wolves do hunt humans as prey. Also animals are not always humane killers, big cats teach their young to hunt by maiming their prey and bringing it to their babies alive. Non-psychopathic people try to minimize the suffering as much as possible when killing animals.

• This reply was modified 6 months, 4 weeks ago by  River Wind.

[G]

I read your meat post. I understand what you write. What i noticed as well in the past, that vegan and vegetarians most of the time look horrible. But what i also noticed they do something i think is really weird. They dont believe they can without eating meat, due to some made up vitamin story “they” are brainwashed with their whole lives.

So instead of meat, those vegan people start to eat a overkill of vitamins and eat a shit load of soy beans. due to some B12 fairy tale (which in the USA are mainly soy-beans which are actually meant as animal feed and not for human consumption. Because these have a higher resistant against chemicals.). And indeed like you write they eat all this water vegetables, which grow so fast without any human love in factory kind of surroundings. Add this GMO greet driven spell on top and their you go.

But anyway, I became a vegetarian almost 4 years ago, after some kind of meditation, i felt my body didn’t want it any more, same as other types of food. After a year only eating vegetables and drinking water i tried meat again and became sick and foggy in my head from it. So tried a few variants like bio etc.. but all gave me the same sick feeling. When doing some dry fast workshop and doing water and dry fast, i start realizing its all a believe, also the need of vitamins. You actually dont need any of it. This what i believe now, so never eat any vitamin or other supplement, and no more beans then i did before. And with the cheese and ice cream i still eat, its still the believe im addicted to it. I only do these fast sometimes, just to cleans my self from all thoughts. because I like the experience of the food flavors to much.

What i did was learning to know the plants of my garden, you would be amazed by how many of them you can eat and are nice and tasty. If you eat them for a while, you will notice as well that sometimes new plants join your garden and some leave. This is like Anastasia says, nature gives what you need when you need it. But its mainly the love you give them, when looking at them, what you eat. If eating those you can add some of the store vegetables, depends a bit on your garden size, but you get all the things you need from those plants.

And that GMO and other stuff is bad for you, is the non-cebo effect, they (who ever they is) wants you to believe, so people get old and sick quicker, so they can earn more. Not so much to do with the treatment of the plants. Because meat they do also all kind of nasty stuff with, before it ends up in the store. So that part is like the vitamin overkill the vegan people give them self, its all a believe.

Hope you find your way, and maybe my message could help you a bit on your path.

Much love Gerton

[Michelle Maier]

I love the thought that you put into your intentional choice.

Cheers!

[Muriel Wolodarsky]

I think it is clear EACH animal has a soul. AND killing any animal is completely egoic (even euthanasia). You are welcome to disagree. But I invite you to look deeper into the topic. Every animal has a right to leave this world when it is ready and when God decides. I choose to no longer play God. I am not. And I am learning to allow for life to show me everything it can by allowing the lessons of even witnessing God’s ways. To kill is not of God. To care for animals is beautiful. There are beautiful sanctuaries, some sharing on social media. I invite you to go investigate. You will see the individual souls of each animal.

[Patricia Brooks]

Hi, Michelle, I am filled with great respect for your most thoughtful and insight response about the issues surrounding the question regarding the slaughter of living creatures to provide a food source versus the intentional good husbandry management of livestock that seems inevitably to include the necessity for culling – killing or otherwise reducing – a potentially ever growing flock or herd of animals.

You have raised many good points worthy of much further deliberation and consideration that affect my own ideas around the handling of livestock on a farm that is intended not as a source of animal flesh as human consumption food or hides for human clothing and footwear but rather as potential resources in terms of utilising the benefits that can be accrued from cultivating managed small herds for the purpose of regenerative farming of the land itself.

Thank you.

Namaste. \patricia

[Patricia Brooks]

A fascinating, and quite wide ranging, discussion that you have prompted here, Takumi Uto, I have been going through my own mental battle about this issue for some time hence by you broaching this subject here and prompting others to share their thoughts about this topic has been very helpful and timely for me; thank you.

For most of my life up age 79, I have enjoyed what I can best describe as a “miscellaneous” diet, meaning that I’ve never given much thought to what I have eaten apart from studiously avoiding any form of the “McDonalds” fast-food types of sources of food with rare exceptions.

However, when confronting turning 79 in 2019, it finally occurred to me that, even though I have been healthy with no discernible health issues for so many years that I hardly ever met the doctor within my changing locality with whom I had registered “just in case of need” whenever I had moved to somewhere new, my mother who had successfully lived for 93 years loomed up as a potential target to beat and thus following a healthy diet suddenly became a new fixation for me.

Hence, after fasting for 5 days on a water-only diet followed by 20 days of fasting by in-taking nothing but fresh, home juiced, organic orange juice – losing around 50 lbs in the process that was neither expected nor part of my motivation for this extreme fast action – I switched to attempting to become vegetarian, even vegan, to explore how that would work and feel.

Well, it did seem to be working quite well except that I had become a trifle alarmed by how much BMI weight loss that I had experienced and my new diet was not adding any weight back nor restoring my BMI and, during the winter/spring season of 2019 going into 2020, I had suddenly started to experience the cold weather to an extreme level of discomfort that I had never previously experienced.

So, after a couple of years of this vegan/vegetarianism experiment, I changed my mind about rigidly being a non-meat eater and started adding back into my diet the occasional beef and occasional roast organic chicken.

While eating chicken appeared to be accompanied by no ill effects, I did notice that too much beef in successive meals did leave me feeling a little lethargic, sluggish, heavy and uncomfortable; chicken, not so much.

Now however, after thoroughly reading all 9 of the English translated versions of the books – some of the books more than once – I’ve recommitted to the vegetarian diet based upon the notion that “it is perfectly reasonable to great fully accept and consume the output that the animals freely produce and give to Man without them being harmed or injured in any manner as a result of providing such a healthful gift”.

With that being said, I am absolutely against all forms of commercial animal, poultry and fish production methods; these are an abomination and must be outlawed for the good of Man, the animals, poultry and fish as well as for the good of our Mother Earth.

I am also very much in favour of, and fully support, the Ved Rus approach to growing our own food while also including holistically incorporating the ethical humane treatment of all desired animals and poultry whether of not these animals are growing up and serving within a Kins Domain or within any form of holistic, natural, free-range farming.

Nonetheless, I am still having to consider how we/I should deal with the perplexing issue of managing the inevitable question around the seemingly inevitable ever growing size of an otherwise uncontrolled domestic animal and poultry self-reproduction situation. This discussion clearly needs to be continued with careful, insightful and thought: I trust that we will see more of these carefully-considered, thoughtful responses to help flesh out this discussion so as to help clarify, and perhaps even finally conclude, the ethical issues confronting the question of do we or do we not kill animals for food or the management of food when we have created for ourselves a bountiful supply of authentically produced excellent Kins Domain style grown food – within our own domain respectively per Anastasia’s own prescription – available for our our own and our Kins consumption?

• This reply was modified 6 months, 3 weeks ago by  Patricia Brooks. Reason: Fixed some grammatical errors and resolved some ambiguities plus added some clarification and addition

[Unknown Member]

Hi it’s beautiful story, thanks Patricia! Have a good one aye

[Carla McMann]

Beautifully put in every way, Patricia.

I couldn’t agree more! Thanks for your words of wisdom.

[Carla McMann]

I am continuing to eat meat for now, until I have my garden up and running, hopefully by the springtime. It is a big source of nutrition, until I can plant the seeds in the ways the books specify to heal my individual body. Most if not all of the publicly produced food is poisoned or dead… so, you literally have to pick your poison until you are in a position of self sustainment. I try to buy more from the farmers markets, simply bc it is grown by people I actually know, still not perfect but much better than any corporation can offer. We are all doing what we have to do to survive right now. As worded in the books, abuse in numerous forms has become normalized. Circumstances are still far from ideal. We have a long way to go before everyone is on the same page and we can put things right. I’m so thankful for Anastasia and the communities her teachings have created, so that we may begin leading by example.

[Patricia Brooks]

Great response to my post about meat, Carla, thank you.

Clearly there has to be some kind of trade off when we switch from eating what might perhaps best be described as “an everyday typical somewhat miscellaneous diet that usually includes meat” over to a diet involving no death of any creature that has been living and growing either on land or in air or water and thus otherwise to a strictly vegetarian or vegan diet around food that we have succeeded in growing for our self and our loved ones.

You have explained this challenge perfectly and I empathise with you as well as encourage you in your quest to effectively become self-sufficient as a vegetarian and/or veganite.

I am intimately familiar with this challenge especially as I am currently living in a shared rental space of a house with a very small yard most of which has been covered with concrete!

So happens that my current “landlord” is a self-confessed alcoholic who, though he has been in the habit of cooking some relatively seemingly “good food” for himself albeit that it has rarely been around using either organic and/or non-GMO sourced food components and, almost invariably, his meals have been around consuming some form of killed – and even factory farmed – living creature that has been made the center piece of his meals; he is not interested in growing any of his own healthy food items. On the other hand, he has covered whatever growing space there is here with a multitude of flowers and palm type trees.

Hence I have resorted to creating my own raised vegetable beds in small spaces that I have adopted for my own purposes and needs and have also grown the classic “tomatoes in small containers” that have produced reasonably well over each of the past 2 summer growing seasons here in SoCal.

I wish you every success in your adventure.

Namaste, \patricia

[Tina Ivčević Pušić]

I stopped eating meat around 15 years ago. I was around 12 at the time. Eating animals always seemed wrong to me, and by 12 years old I was old enough to voice this out (and my parents were supportive so I had no issues there).<div>

After I stopped, I never had the urge to eat meat again. I find the idea disturbing on many levers and my body is discussed by the smell of it. To me, seeing pieces of dead animals is sad and disturbing and I can’t even force myself to eat it.

Of course, I will never tell someone they shouldn’t be eating meat. This is how I feel and what is right for me, but everyone should think, feel and decide for themselves.

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[Anne Putnam]

I have many questions around meat and population control… we have a farm with dairy and beef cattle, sheep, chickens, etc. Now the question on my mind most of recent… is with the bull calves and castrating… I mean even on the dairy cow side, you wouldn’t want the cow to be impregnated by it’s own calf…. there is the option of selling the calf… but having a calf yearly we would have a surplus of cows eventually….. our dairy cows love giving you milk…. they are grass-fed but look forward to it every morning. And what about barn cats and managing the cat population if they are not “broken” (aka known as “fixed”). And I will say, we have only butchered a few beef cows….this last cow walked right into the butcher… it was a bit melancholy but it is like he knew it was his job to do….it’s not like you didn’t love the cow, just like you love a plant, perhaps more love was giving to the cow than any plant….

And if animals always ate other animals?…. The wolves had to survive, did they always eat other animals… so then where were they obtaining their source of food, if all the animals in it’s domain are friends, from a neighbor’s domain?…. and is it different if we eat the animal verses a wolf eating an animal….

And plants are alive, have feelings are part of the universe no different than an animal…. so how is sacrificing a plant for food different than an animal….

Adam was given the job to determine the purpose for all animals…. so what was the purpose of cows, goats, sheep…. it doesn’t talk about it in the books that I recall, other than not knowing the purpose of goats.

And if energy is never wasted, would not the animal be reincarnated as well, which is why Native Americans had rituals when killing an animal….. Many thoughts to ponder….

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[Tina Ivčević Pušić]

I had similar dilemmas. We have a property and keep chickens, horses, dogs, cats. 🙂

We don’t keep milk animals as then you have the “what do we do with the baby” problem.

The chickens we have are only female which results in unfertilised eggs. I’m very happy to eat those. The chickens live until they die of old age.

My horses are only male. I own 2 geldings and a stallion and they all happily live together. The stallion is a breeding stallion for other people’s mares. The two geldings are not good enough for breeding so they are gelded as otherwise they would be very sexually frustrated.

The dogs and cats are spayed after we have the litters we want. We have one cat who is beautiful, cuddly and a good hunter. Everyone wanted her kittens. She had 3 litters before she was spayed. All her kittens found a home easily. Now we have a young cat who is a bit of a trouble maker. No one wants her kittens so she is getting spayed at 8 months old. We also have a young dog. Kind, trainable, beautiful and a perfect guard dog. We have people asking when she’s having puppies. The plan is that she has one litter and we keep one of the babies.

So here how we do it and I’m happy with it.

Regarding plants, I don’t feel they shouldn’t be eaten. I’m completely at peace with eating plants.

[G]

Hi, i would like to reply a bit on the last two posts.

My reply is from my personal few and experience, and i think everybody will find his/her own path at the end, so no judgment! So that said, what i experienced so far:

First a bit of background, I eat and drink for one year only vegetables and water. I fasted many times for a period of half a year on only water, and I did some dry fasts (so eat and drink noting).

What i experienced with the vegetables and water only year, was that my thinking speed went up, i became more clear in my head, I became some kind of telepathic and hardly didn’t need any sleep anymore. (so perfect). (this was 4 years ago).

Then back to ¨normal¨ again, eating meat, bread and fruits and drink thee coffee again. I quickly noticed that eating meat made me sick and created fog in my head. Tried with all kind of meats and fish, non bio, bio, only lived in the wild etc.. but all of this had the same result. (so became vegetarian). Not sure what it is, but I guess its the fear stored in the meat, the fear it has when the animal got killed by the butcher. (probably why the system doesn’t allow you any more to kill it yourself, but that is an other topic)

Other foods didn’t had the same results, but what i notice is that the speed in thinking, the sleep amount, the telepathic things, didn’t came back.

Second, the fasting, I read something about it, and was wondering if this had similar/more results to the vegetables only. So I followed some workshop to guide me into the water/dry fasting idea. So I start doing water fasting, multiple ones in a period of half year, where the longest was 12 days in one go.

My first experience here was that you get in conflict with the standard subconscious program. The autopilot start doing things when you don’t pay attention. Here i basically find out the existence of external program installed by parents/school the system in your brain. Really a weird experience when you find yourself reading stuff on the internet about the effect of a lack of vitamins, while fasting. Here the program tried to convince me i needed to start eating again.

Also the detox period of the fasting makes you realizing the toxins the system puts in your body if you don’t pay attention. Here i had a lot of realization moments, which wakes you up more and more. I learned also that food is almost not necessary if at all, the hunger feeling is just a mind program like a addict has with drugs. Concluding that for your optimum really a little food is sufficient. Bit like the books are saying in not so many words.

Then the dry fast, I did only a couple of dry fast so far. These dry fast opened my energy blocks from my head to my feed. Next to this i was surprised that i wasn’t trusty, and that the thirst came right away after I decided to stop the fast, which is a weird experience of itself. But to draw conclusions of it, I have to do it more and longer.

But fasting (water/dry) itself gives you really a clear mind, with the dry fast I noticed that life start unfolding before you in the way you like it to. Like magic. What was a cool experience. Like your thoughts/dream becomes reality.

Conclusion i take from this is that if you want to remember who you really are, speed up your thinking and get in your full potential. You can’t eat meat, bread and similar foods made from wheat (this triggers the addictive part of your mind), no processed foods (because containing animal, sugar and wheat products). So basically fruits, vegetables only. And skip the vitamin pills and other toxic stuff they try to sell you based on your fears. The need is just a believe and they are only made to block you from your true self. (acceptance is off course the home made supplements, which made with love with the plants you gave the love). But this is how i feel about it. And must say if you dont believe it dont do it, the placebo effect is strong in the program.

After the waters-fasts I start reading the books, here I recognized many things, like the little Anastasia eat, the pure mind you need (so wiped from all the programs).

Still work in progress. It seems this waking up comes in phases, you try some than you realize and wake up from some part, that you fall back to let go and wipe the next blockade.

So I hope this can help some of you, on your path to remember you, the beautiful divine you.

Anyway take it or leave it! It is up to you, its your path and yours only!

Much love!

[Tommy Ruether]

This is a very helpful and informative post. I have just now been doing some intermediate fasting (12-18 hours). I intend to work my way up to a full day. Also, I’ve been a long time meat consumer, and have grown up deer hunting with my dad. I’ve been putting a lot of thought into everything because here in Missouri, the beliefs of the conservation departments (and my beliefs for a long time) is that the deer population is over populated since there aren’t as many predators as there used to be. Anyways, haven’t killed a deer in 3 years, and am pretty convinced I won’t ever kill one again.

The vitamin and mineral deficiency do scare me about fasting. So I will proceed with caution. I will say though, I am definitely bought into (believe) the info found in the Ringing Cedar books.

Eventually, once I get my garden up and running, I’ll have the herbs and produce to completely support me and my family.

Until then dear friends,

Stay smiling

[Carla McMann]

This was incredibly helpful and mind opening for me, thank you so much for taking the time to share

[Cedar Whitlock]

In stages, true. Wake up a little more, each day. We have been in deep slumber for many millennia. Balance, and not judging others, seems a good response to the alarm clock. Thanks for the report.