[Unknown Member]

Strongly disagree with you!

[JT]

Matthew, do you care to elaborate on what you strongly disagree with and why?

[Unknown Member]

I don’t agree with using to books to try to justify one’s sick fantasies, nor with the sharing of them on these forums. I hope your thoughts can aspire to something brighter for this world

I don’t appreciate either this post or the other one – the one about genetics. I’d rather you deleted them

[Unknown Member]

Well said, Matthew,

JT you have been told the truth allready ;

It is not right at all for a man to use the books ”to try to justify one’s sick
fantasies”, and even posting them on these forums . You should be true to love and the situation with your partner and either devote wholeheartedly, or leave. ”Aspire to something brighter” indeed, but mostly to be honest with yourself.

Let me tell you straight – You are awfully embarassing your wife and yourself , and your woman should have left you yesterday for dishonouring her and your child like that with such half-love ! She should end this sort of monstrous manipulation and selfishness of yours and never look back! That will allow her to meet / be with a Man who can truly love her in the right way and make her happy.

Your statements and posts are clearly objectifying women . It is disgraceful even for this very community to read this as if we are meant to put up with men coming here to look for alternative partners and promoting this type of attitude . You are only revelaing your own stupidity and selfishness, as you obviously don’t consider your own family holy or good enough. You know very little about love sadly.

It is almost certain that your partner is under 30-32 years of age, or most likely well under. Correct me pls if that is not true ? It is also very likely she is under a spell and perhaps too disembodied and/or traumatized to stand up for her love at this time but nonetheless – she is equally responsible for the kind of approach you are imagining to be ”good” or ”just”, and ”loving” . Suggesting it publically is disrespectful to the whole community here – not just to your wife and child , and to the very ideas for life encouraged in the books.

[Unknown Member]

If you was really about something just in the way you present yourself to be, knowledgeable (??) , how about knowing your partner better or deeper? If you even truly love her…?

If you knew what you was doing in your life, you would have been aware how much behind we are (The whole Human Sol Family) because of ”the world” of Men and where it got us to, with their cruelty and destructive thoughts and patterns towards women and towards this Earth , this ‘world” society that we still witness is of the past – it is externally projected reality that is almost unbearable for true females , who had to become half-men inside in order to cope with it.

Therefore ”the world” is in this terrible mess and cannot be saved because of men just like you – who cannot love fully – not doing the right thing, but being selfish , and sexually exploiting and manipulating women.

[Carla McMann]

I agree with Matthew!

I admit I did have a little beef with Anastasia for having a child with Vladimir when he already had a wife, but Anastasia states very plainly that any certified “marriages” in our society are entirely illegitimate — but Vlad and his first wife had had “normal sex” (ie for pleasure, not out of a mutual inspiration of Love and Co-creation), and therefore the union was not sanctified. Anyone, married or not, who has sex for pleasure and not for love and co-creation, does not have a True relationship.

Sex for pleasure is not how God intended it, it is not truly satisfying, and so anyone who participates in it will end up seeking satisfaction elsewhere — in other words, cheating. Vladimir was already cheating on his first “wife” because their bond was “legal” but illegitimate. After he and Anastasia “co-created,” and he became a Real Man, she had saved him from that “harmful sex” — and they had a true and lasting union. I do not believe this Bond is something we are meant to share with multiple people. It just sounds like an excuse to openly cheat on each other.

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• This reply was modified 1 month, 3 weeks ago by  Carla McMann.

[JT]

I appreciate and honor the genetic disposition that Nature, Nature’s God, and my ascendants have gifted to me in the form of my DNA and physical characteristics known as race. Does not Anastasia speak on retaining pure genes or half-breeds at some point in the series? I’ll have to look into that further so I can give an exact quote. I am definitely not attempting to use the books to justify mere fantasies. It is clearly a theme in the books that Vladimir is a married man when he encounters Anastasia and conceives children with her. Anastasia neither condones nor condemns the practice of polygyny in the books, though she herself married and conceived children with an already married man, which is by definition polygyny. This in turn did eventually strengthen the bond and relationship that Vladimir had with his first wife, who he remains with, whether considered legitimate or not. Anastasia emphasizes purity and intention over carnal pleasures, not strict monogamy. But if I am wrong, please correct me while citing your source. With no possession and seeking of pleasure involved, would you also consider a loving man co-creating with pure intentions with more than one wife as a sin or “sick fantasy”?

[Carla McMann]

If you truly are not seeking the pleasure of sex with multiple partners, and have pure thoughts, and pure intentions, then by all means use your free will to try and find others who agree with your standpoint who also have pure thoughts and intentions. Report back and tell us how it goes. As for me personally: my heart does not feel right about it.

[Unknown Member]

Not sure “pure intentions” is compatible with having many wives. Learn from history: Solomon’s many wives led him into idolatry, as you can read in the bible, for example.

You know, there are cults like the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints for such men who want to have many wives. The Ringing Cedars readers is not about that, no matter how much you might like it to be.
Maybe go start your own cult and express your pure intentions there. And hopefully those pure intentions will help you avoid ending up in prison, like Warren Steed Jeffs did

[JT]

Wow, so many false assumptions and pure hatred coming from an alleged community that I thought would have more love and understanding than hatred. I guess polygyny is considered evil by y’all, except when Vladimir and Anastasia practice it. It’s an interesting topic to me because so many of the world’s greatest men, tribes, and biblical figures, such as Abraham, an ascendant of Anastasia, practiced it. There is even evidence that the true historical Jesus had two wives. (see the books and videos by Ralph Ellis on the King of Edessa). The writer of the Anastasia/Ringing Cedars books, Vladimir Megre, is indeed married to two women, but it appears that y’all get too easily triggered by this fact to have a cordial discussion on it and immediately resort to name calling, hatred, unwarranted contempt, and erroneous presumptions instead of engaging in a cordial conversation regarding this controversial topic.

[Unknown Member]

It’s called indignation – the normal anger one feels when one witnesses an injustice towards oneself or others. It’s a normal emotion that normal and healthy empathic people feel in the face of such injustices. A more extreme version would be “outrage”. Very common in today’s society, with good reason.
“Getting triggered” is just a dirty word people use when the reactions are not to their liking.

[Unknown Member]

Obviously, you are denying the Truth to yourself first and foremost, by not accepting someone’s responce out of love and respect for every one here, including you. And calling it ”false asumptions” and… ”hatred ” instead is unimaginable …

The fact is you brought up some funny pictures, and posted info about women with red hair, where you are clearly showing you objectify women according to their physical appearance, and genetics, or whatever it may be, it indicates sexual preferences – which stems from sexual exploitation of women , and has nothing to do with love, unless the meaning of ”love” for you extends only to the programmed inclination for breeding and spreading your seeds into as many wombs as possible. counting on that to be with more than just one woman. What is a ”false assumption” then?

Furthermore, how can you justify your concerns about the seemingly ”endangered” specie of ”redhead women” and your motive for propagating those genetics that you consider superior, if you are not even a woman? Have you not seen male clowns who also have red hair and blue eyes? As a man, do you not SEE that when men have mental illness or have not known the love of God, they will only infect the woman’s genetic inheritance (regardless of the colour of her eyes or hair ) with such low Intelligence ? And that of their child…

[Carla McMann]

Having attempted polyamory once myself, (and even before I attempted it, I knew it was a bad idea) I can say from experience that the desire to be with multiple partners comes from a conscious or unconscious dissatisfaction with the partner you already have. If you were truly satisfied with your partner, you wouldn’t be seeking another, for any purpose, including bearing children. The problem is that we have been deeply misled… We have not been shown through the history of society how to properly love… none of us. Who among us had parents with a truly healthy relationship? Who among us was born from those who had a false union? How many of us grew up watching shows and movies where we were tricked into believing that love is based off pleasure-oriented sex? JT, it’s not personal. Most people are lost. I don’t think polygamy is evil: I think it is a temporary and illusory “solution” that comes from living in a false world. Just like men are going around calling themselves women and women are calling themselves men. It is a perfectly natural response to HIGHLY UNNATURAL CIRCUMSTANCES AND CONDITIONS. Psychopaths and sociopaths are becoming more and more common… all a result of just how far off the path of truth we have gotten. Just like Anastasia says that one cannot kill when one is in touch with one’s soul… I think a lot of people are disconnected from their souls… “We had to go to sleep in order to survive…”

and when I sit with the thought of having multiple partners… my soul does not accept this as the truth. My soul regards this as infidelity and betrayal. I am not you and you are not me. You presented this on the community forum and said, “What say you?” You openly invited the opinions of others. Well, this is what people are saying. People feel very strongly about these topics, and we have every right to feel strongly about it. People’s experiences are what they are. If that’s the path you choose, you’ll see where it leads you. But asking for people’s opinions on a topic and then getting mad at them when they give their opinions… where has that gotten you?

[Unknown Member]

Please don’t try to use historical or biblical figures to justify your actions or points. We, who have read Anastasia, should know better.
Firstly, even contemporary scholars accept that history (and the bible) is prejudiced and we don’t know what exactly went on.
Secondly, the “history” we refer to in both sources (mainstream, bible), refers to the age of images and age of destruction. If you want follow their examples, you are bound to prolong the current age. Instead, its better to look at how things were in the vedic age. Anastasia repeatedly makes reference to how it was then and it as a model for what we should strive for now. In all her stories of the vedic age, I can’t think of any that had polygamy/polyamoury/polygyny or any of that.
And thirdly, it is possible that those times when men “had lots of wives” were also times when there were relatively few men in such nations precisely because those men were killing each other in senseless wars – sometimes such wars were, supposedly, fighting over specific women when the aggressor already had one or more wives (so, I don’t know how polygyny is supposed to “heal some of society’s problems”, as you put it!).

When I called it a “sick fantasy”, I was being polite – for the sake of the harmony in this community

[JT]

I’m really not sure why y’all are making this about me and attacking me personally, as this post was not ever meant to be about me, but about polygyny and the FACT that Vladimir has 2 wives, with Anastasia being his second, which is by definition Polygyny. All of you, with the exception of Carla, “responding” (reacting), here are definitely triggered and instead of focusing on the topic at hand have resorted to name-calling, attacking me, my own marriage, and even associating me with a cult-leader and child rapist! Just wow! With Matthew even suggesting that I go join a polygamist cult for simply bringing up this topic and inviting discourse around a prominent theme of the Anastasia and Ringing Cedars books. I am not a polygenist and have never practiced any form of it in my life! However, while knowing that I (and others) have had many lifetimes and lovers on this Earth, I do not believe that wo/man’s heart is so limited as to be only capable of loving one. Ya’ll know absolutely nothing about me or my family and have resorted to false presumptions and sheer disrespect with Fran suggesting that my wife and child leave me saying: “..dishonouring her and your child like that with such half-love” and, “you obviously don’t consider your own family holy or good enough. You know very little about love sadly.” over simply bringing up this topic and the FACT that Vladimir was an ALREADY MARRIED man when he met Anastasia then MARRIED and conceived with her! I am entirely devoted to my wife and love her and our amazing son with all of my heart and soul! Shame on you! Let me tell you all straight and clear: you don’t know what love truly is and evidently have much unhealed trauma and man-hate that you still need to deal with.

[Unknown Member]

JT, it’s clear you have already betrayed your woman simply by bringing up this topic here in the way you have, and all the things you posted, it is too late to drop excuses as if you can hide it, it is clear for everyone – and the fact that you don’t SEE IT / or keep acting like that – is very upseting overall, but I’m not responding here out of hate for men or emotional triggers. The idea is someone to say the truth – it is simple. Wasn’t you looking for ”enlightenment” on this topic at all by sharing your beliefs and opinions? And if so, why are you trying to manipulate and make excuses for yourself? Just be honest. Otherwise… your are only revealing the sickness in your mind that you cover up in words like ”love”, ”heart and soul”…

You have not only brought up a specific topic but you have an agenda. You apparently have not grasped the essence of what was conveyed in the books about the Space of Love… by lowering down the consciousness of Anastasia to your kind of ”thinking” as if to adapt it to some logical rules for family life that is appealing to your sexual greed and ”sexually” programmed/ misguided ! brain. That is after all apparent in the statement where you say you don’t believe a man or woman’s heart ”to be so limited as to be only capable of loving one” . So do you make distinction between ”love”, love for life, for all living beings and souls… and then – love between lovers – being true to loving your spouse/soulmate, living with them , having a child with them?… or is it all the same to you? Do you mix it all up ? See, there is no intelligence in your words and expressed beliefs so far.

If Anastasia or Vladimir were not inspired by the love for each other and the love for the whole human race and the Earth, do you see the books even happenning? Can you even fathom such love? Anastasia did not have to be married in the formal ways ”of the world” in order to sense the true Godly potential in Vladimir or seek for ”permission” to open a man’s heart to love in the way she did. If that was the only possibility to bring him back to the Truth, she did it out of love. She saw more than a momentary potential in him but also the future of their beautiful co-creation to help the Earth thrive and devoted to it / regardless of his loveless ”marriage” with another woman that he wasn’t true to anyway, ( shown in the scenes where he invite girls around on his ship and describing stories about his previous trips ) because he was not true to Life either, regardless of all the flaws in his character either…and what not.

Instead of looking at the literal circumstances through your limited beliefs about material appearances, counting on someone’s ”wives” and fictional documents holding people ”together”, can you see beyond that? Can you see the bigger picture at all? …that is of one woman and one man? Who had (perhaps) the one ”only” chance to bring something good to humanity at that time for the benefit of All ? Are you’ready for such massive sacrifice in your own life, if you keep referring to someone not abiding by formal ”marriage” restrictions ?

The ideas in the books are not about polygamy but seeing what loving One can do… One woman is a reperesentation of all women on Earth. As it is the same for one Man. The trinity of lasting happiness as described by Anastasia has the three components – a Man and a Woman, their child or children and their family land together. Certainly we can appreciate many souls in our hearts especially those connected to our specific soul group, and the whole Cosmos…after all Man and Woman are cosmic beings. But that is not the same as your own soulmate- partner friend/spouse (however you may call him/her) in your physical life, that one will usually choose to be with. And how can you even realize anything important for life at all , if you are busy and distarcted with having other family/s or even too busy with career, relatives or anything else for that matter ? Besides, at the stage humanity is at – you cannot fully love a woman if you are not devoted entirely to her and she will never feel safe or truly loved by a man, who can go any time somewhere else to produce more offspring with someone else and split his time and energy in between various parties. Sooner rather than later she will leave the man and face the shock of her past version where she had allowed to be treated like that and her time and precious love – to be wasted and taken for granted . And yes, every woman here on Earth would face the same, if she doesn’t straighten up her life . Therefore that man would have brought to the woman tremendous devastation and unhappiness that she will then have to deal with to overcome… Anything in-between Man and a Woman’s love becomes interceding principle. That kind of destructive mentality and sexually driven men have been causing division between men and women for thousands of years. A woman should never be with a man who is not ready to love her in the right way and brings destructive future. *That is too noted in the books.

Still some men are not even worth the love of a single woman! Coming here to promote having children with ”many” wives (which you find appealing) in society where low intelligence shows up through selfishness and the need to justify one’s sexual programming calling it ”love” and the agenda to offer it to others to ponder, or anything like that through language manipulation… is delusional and sign of sickness and sexually infiltrated mind .

You have a long way to go before you are able to love a single woman.

[Unknown Member]

”However, while knowing that I (and others) have had many lifetimes
and lovers on this Earth, I do not believe that wo/man’s heart is so
limited as to be only capable of loving one.”

A man cannot love truly and sufficiently if they have not realized the divine Truth of God within and …within All Life. This is first and most essential out of all. The forms of love ( a living man and a living woman) come after that. Only then one can know pure Divine Love.

If one’s mind keep shuffling through “many (other) timelines”/past or future and ”many lovers”… in other galaxies, universes or parallels, they will be always lead astray from the Truth and the Now moment where they have everything. Where God has provided them with All that they need. If they ”think” they can go outside of their body into various ”many” lifetimes, they will struggle confronting their false self constantly until they can be free of it. The harmful imagination is due to indulging in sex for satisfaction, and men who are imagining all these ”phantom” women should endeavour to purify their nature as much as possible and bring it back to Love. The only way to learn how to love is to give up completely the false persona with its emotional perceptions, sexual wants and imaginings, projecting a false reality (”the world”/ the shadow realm of appearances ). Then and only then man can have discernment and the ability to SEE straight. To actually LIVE IT …, not doing intellectual discussions about it.

Otherwise – they will end up in virtual realities of the psychic world lost in ”dreams” where their imaginings are being projected … instead of BEING with a REAL Woman on Earth living the essential life as a Man of Truth and integrity.

[Sarah]

It does appear to be true that Vladmir and Anastasia are practicing a form of polygamy and I think that is worth discussing. I have taken most everything that Anastasia teaches to heart and tried to make it a part of my life and belief system in the ways that I can and the ways that make sense. Of course I’m always rereading the books and remembering parts I forgot and reincorporating what I can into my life… And then there is this thing where Anastasia is the partner of a man outside of his marriage. I hadn’t thought very much about that before this discussion, I kind of just over looked it. It has never crossed my mind that Anastasia could do any wrong. So then, is this thing she’s doing wrong or morally reprehensible? Or is my way of thinking about it incorrect, limited or out of context? Are we supposed to do as she says, not as she does, or is there something I’m missing?

I wish Anastasia had spoken more about this specifically… I would also be curious to hear the opinion of Vladmir’s wife on the subject, because it doesn’t seem like her consent was ever asked, which, in my opinion, is even more reprehensible than 2 women consenting to and deliberately entering a relationship with one man, which women sometimes choose to do. Like, is Anastasia’s relationship with Vladimir the Polygyny that JT is referencing? In my mind that would involve consent. Or is Anastasia’s relationship with Vladmir considered adultery if the 1st wife did not know about it or have the chance to consent? Can we really sit here and tell each other that we know absolutely what is right and wrong in regards to polygyny, when Anastasia herself had the children of a married man, without having any conversation that I know of with his 1st wife? Of course I don’t want to cast Anastasia in any sort of bad light, I appreciate everything that she has shared with the world so much. I live every day trying to bring to fruition the beautiful dream she has envisioned for humanity. So then, am I willing to question my own limited perception of this situation instead? Does anyone have a deeper insight into this situation that they could share?

And then I’m also interested in JT’s comment/question about Polygyny being a solution to there being so many women wanting to have children who are not finding suitable mates. I know this is an issue in Russia where they have so many more females than males (because so many men are lost to war) and then I wonder how many more women there are than men here in this group. Actually, I found a way to look that up, and there are pretty close to 2 women for every 1 man on this site. 1,197 women to 698 men. I’m not saying Polygyny is the solution, I would love for more men to read the books and join this group! But I do appreciate someone brainstorming creative solutions and starting a conversation about it.

Anyway, I think that JT has presented some interesting questions here that are worth intellectual exploration. And I would love for us to be able to discuss all ideas and concepts from the books, as controversial as some of them might be, in a thoughtful and respectful way, with a willingness to question our own beliefs of what is right and wrong for ourselves and others. I trust that each person knows what is right for them in their own body and relationships and I don’t expect that to be the same for everyone.

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[Unknown Member]

I don’t remember which book it was in, but I believe it was Anastasia’s grandfather who said it, that Anastasia did not “take” a man who was still capable of making a woman happy. Vladimir was already sick and may have died had it not been for Anastasia healing and helping him. He also was going to attempt suicide, twice.
I think you’re right Sarah when you said it might be more like adultery, in our standards, since it was extra marital.
Some key aspects to consider also: Vladimir never married Anastasia – it was only one sided, from what we know.
The marriage concept is very different, Anastasia said that how we do it is mostly just superstition and called it a false union.
It was Vladimir’s actions that we are seeing as problematic. He was already sleeping with many women, so adultery was already happening a lot. Anastasia didn’t force Vladimir to stay with his wife, nor did she reprimand him for it – she gave him the freedom to choose. So, she’s not condoning it. If anything, by her actions we can assume that Vladimir is “sleeping around” less since “ordinary sex would now be repulsive to him”. (I say “less”, because we saw what happened in book 5).

Think about it this way, if you were in Anastasia’s shoes, and assuming you don’t support polyX in any form, what would you have done? Would you have forbidden Vladimir to return to his first wife?

In any case, this is all very different from a group of people to willingly and freely enter into such an arrangement. Certainly, I cannot see any link as to Anastasia promoting such a situation!

[Unknown Member]

It seems to me that this post was actually not for discussion, but rather as a provocation. If you look, you can see that the JT only joined last month and posted two controversial/provocative posts at the same time. The other one, nobody has taken the bait.

I would appreciate if a Moderator would look into this.

If you want to discuss why Vladimir is still married to his original wife, that’s a different discussion for a different thread.
Construing such events to suggest that Anastasia condones polygyny or similar, I think that has no place on this community. And furthermore, the post was supplemented with an image of a man and three women in traditional Slavic costumes (with no explanation as to where this image comes from and what its supposed to represent – it could be a man and his three sisters, or four friends). The result is that the image adds to the psychology of the provocation, as it seems to be added in an attempt to suggest that somewhere in Russia or other CIS nations, this is already practised by readers of the books. But there is no concrete information regarding that.

I therefore think that this was never intended for serious or civil discussion, but rather as a provocation

[Unknown Member]

Hi, Matthew

I appreciate your responces and Carla’s to address the subject more thoroughly . It had to be faced by someone, and it is not because we are so happy to discuss delusional claims and fantasies of a guy who wish to ”pick and choose” more than one wife, to prevent the red hair and blue eyes population from die off…, or for us to get involved in any drama . Certainly not. And yet, everyone ignoring it … would seem also like nobody cares what is being thrown in the atmoshere of this community that is supposed to honour the purpose behind the books the reason for which this platform was created. Right?

You’ve made some very good points. And summary.

And yes, the topic is disappointing and provocational – the suggestions made by the posting person lack substance and spiritual understanding in many ways, which is why I had to point out the intelligence issue . If the thread stays on for those who need to read through it, it may offer something useful for cultivating deeper connections as to what is actually intended in The Ringing Cedars books and self-knowledge.