Greetings Jerry,
Yes, I know of Agaphia. She is interesting but not even remotely a candidate for being a source of Vladimir's Anastasia. Her life is very difficult. She is angry with her neighbor who wanted sexual relations with her. She has a large breast tumor and her beliefs are "old world" orthodox. She lives to a great extent by donations of food and clothing brought to her via a small river boat.

I currently have guests staying with us for a few more days and cannot spend much time writing posts. I'll respond to two recent ones (much more complex than this one) when time allows.

Jerry wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:28 pm

As Vladimir's Anastasia said, "I exist for whom I exist".

But I suppose she said it in Russian. Do you know if this can be translated the same as the Hebrew which is rendered as "I am that I am"? I read this as an admission that she does not exist as a flesh and blood human being, while at the same time she is making a claim of divinity. Or rather, Vladimir is making that claim on her behalf.

Greetings Jerry,
I do not know if that translation could be equal to the Russian, but I imagine if it were best expressed by those English words, the translator would have used them since they are commonly known and used. As I understand Anastasia's words, she claims that all of mankind is Divine in nature and each individual has the potential of speeding up his thought to the speed of God's thought.

Regarding previous forums and the previous version of this forum you wrote,

Are you saying that all this material has gone offline now?

Since 2005/6 there have been two very active forums in the years before Gabriel created his first Anastasiausa forum (roughly 2012/13). This current forum is Gabriel's second one, rebuilt after his first one was lost due to an administrative snafu. All of those first three forums along with their posts are no longer on line.

I would be very interested in any information you have about successful strategies for building simple structures, and using them as residences, without getting in trouble with building code officials.

In an earlier post to this discussion I mentioned that I already posted this information in another location on this forum (in Meg's topic regarding Farm exemptions on local zoning laws). I've cut and pasted it here so, readers, please forgive the duplication if you already read it there.

Anyone can also look up their local county codes (here called "Pueblo County Code"). Find the Title or section covering buildings and construction (Title 15 in our county). Read through that for specific language saying who is governed by the code. Here that language is found in 15.32.030 which says "The purpose of the code is to establish uniform, county-wide licensing and administrative provisions for all contractors doing construction work in Pueblo County." Our code actually repeats a version of that three times and nowhere else in Title 15 is found any specific language specifying those over whom the building department has authority. It therefore applies ONLY to contractors and no others, even though the rest of the title is written to appear as though it applies to all people building a structure (but never says so specifically).

The zoning department code is a little slipperier. It never actually states it's scope of authority other than to say it will be implemented through building permits, which, of course, only apply to contractors. So we are free of building and zoning codes legally. But anyone who has tried to get many agencies or departments to recognize and honor such exemptions knows what it feels like to be demonized and bulldozed. To avoid this communicate in writing sent registered or certified mail to the department head and county attorney. In your letter quote the local code that governs them and request that they respond with the specific code that grants them authority over you, who are not a licensed contractor but a private man or woman on private non-commercial land. Give them 21 days to respond (according to shipping law which underlies all government codes and statutes). After 21 days send a second letter stating that if you get no written response within 21 more days, their silence will constitute agreement that you and your non-commercial land are not subject to their administration. Keep the letters as proof for any and all who may question your right to build at will. This record will create an estoppel for any action attempt against you because the county attorneys know it will stand up in any court.

You will find similar restrictions to commercial jurisdiction Anyone can also look up their local county codes (here called "Pueblo County Code"). Find the Title or section covering buildings and construction (Title 15 in our county). Read through that for specific language saying who is governed by the code. Here that language is found in 15.32.030 which says "The purpose of the code is to establish uniform, county-wide licensing and administrative provisions for all contractors doing construction work in Pueblo County." Our code actually repeats a version of that three times and nowhere else in Title 15 is found any specific language specifying those over whom the building department has authority. It applies ONLY to contractors and no others, even though the rest of the title is written to appear as though it applies to all people building a structure (but never says so specifically).

The zoning department code is a little slipperier. It never actually states it's scope of authority other than to say it will be implemented through building permits, which, of course, only apply to contractors. So we are free of building and zoning codes legally. But anyone who has tried to get many agencies or departments to recognize and honor such exemptions knows what it feels like to be demonized and bulldozed. To avoid this communicate in writing sent registered or certified mail to the department head and county attorney. In your letter quote the code that governs them and request that they respond with the specific code that grants them authority over you, who are not a contractor but a private man or woman on private non-commercial land. Give them 21 days to respond (according to shipping law which underlies all government codes and statutes). After 21 days send a second letter stating that if you get no written response within 21 more days, their silence will constitute agreement that you and your non-commercial land are not subject to their administration. Keep the letters as proof for any and all who may question your right to build at will. This record will create an estoppel for any action attempt against you because the county attorneys know it will stand up in any court.

You will find similar restrictions to commercial jurisdiction only, in all your county departments and agencies if you look deep enough and read them literally and carefully without making presumptions about what is meant.

This knowledge of code governing the agency (not the people) has stopped both zoning and building inspectors from proceeding with any actions in States all over the country. The key to success in this is to make sure you know where your LOCAL code is found and keep a printed copy of that section along with your letters to the departments and the county attorney. You will find that few, if any, code inspectors-enforcers or office staff have ever read the codes that govern their agency.

You mentioned a couple times that building codes were good. Theoretically, that can be argued as true. However, are you aware that building codes are not written by independent engineers but rather by companies manufacturing & selling construction products? Building codes are written to garner commercial profit to specific product manufacturers and suppliers. For example, Concrete codes are written by concrete manufacturers. Framing codes are written by lumber mill and lumber warehousing staff, and so on. The collective lobby force of these construction supply companies is huge in state and national Congresses. Also, of the hundreds of thousands of buildings still standing and occupied today that are older than two hundred years (some as old as 1600 years) none would pass today's building code requirements. An engineer I once hired to get around a particularly problematic building code enlightened me on this. Nevertheless, for people with no building experience and no interest in learning sound building principles, load bearing capacities, electrical safety, etc., building codes enforced on contractors is a good idea.

Regarding Wikipedia, you wrote,

Where else are you going to find such a compendium of readily accessible information?

If there's something about David Wynn Miller that's verifiable in court documents, and that does not appear in the article, I could try to get it added. I have a fairly decent record of making edits that stick.

I, personally, am not interested in finding a compendium of readily accessible information such as that found on Wikipedia. I prefer to expand my speed of thought, reasoning capacity, and use only resources I have reviewed and verified myself. I have discovered countless times that "experts" aren't a good source of information from which to build a dream, at least my dream.

Thank you for your kind offer to make Wikipedia edits that stick in regard to David-Wynn: Miller. You have presumed that David-Wynn: Miller is an important figurehead or key to the information and power comprising the Quantum Community Movement, and I haven't rebutted that presumption. Let me do so now. David is no longer living, and while he was once deeply involved in the research and testing of the governing systems of the world, he is certainly not the place one should begin researching the Quantum Movement. This a good example of the Wikipedia experience. Regardless of the number of contributors, you will find only distractions away from any truly empowering or effective information that can free man from the limitations of today's thought-controlling systems. You will not find information proving the facts of any concepts or ideas that are working outside the controlling systems. In my perception, "fixing" Wikipedia is as futile as trying to "fix" government to make it serve one's particular political agenda. Man is not meant to waste his energy fighting these kinds of exterior battles. His potential and purpose is far too great to be lost to battles of this nature. Actually, I don't think any battles are needed. I haven't found that any real changes are made in this way, at least for me. The Quantum community information is out there and can easily be found without me stopping to "fix" Wikipedia. So thank you for your generous offer, but building my dream and the dream of communities in America is my priority. After you learn more about the Quantum community directly from them and why and how they are so powerful in the arena of governments, perhaps then you will wish to make edits in Wikipedia. If that is your dream and your power, then I support that.

Hello :Joyce-M:,

I'm sorry I missed your earlier referral to the information about building permits. You have quoted code section 15.32 of the Pueblo County Code, which is specifically establishing administration of contractor licenses. It is not surprising that this section would have limited scope. Section 15.04 describes the applicability of the entire building code, which states that it applies to "construction, enlargement, alteration, repair, moving, removal, conversion, demolition, occupancy, use, storage, height, area, maintenance, installation, inspection, design, operation, testing, handling, erection and fabrication of equipment, structures, and buildings within the County of Pueblo". These are verbs, with the implied subject being any person who carries out such actions.

A similarly broad scope is found in the code for Clearwater County, ID (which simply refers to the statewide code.)

The concept that one can evade these codes by writing a demand letter to local officials, and then construing their non-response as binding, is an example of the pseudolegal error of equating silence to consent. See "Organized Pseudolegal Commercial Arguments as Magic and Ceremony" by Donald Netolitzky, Alberta Law Review (2018)55:4 (found via Wikipedia).

Researching the "war castle" videos and Russell-Jay :Gould who you mentioned in another post, I found a website "russell-jay-gould.blogspot.com" which is either written by Mr. Gould, or by an admirer. Many of the pages include the invocation "In Trump we Trust. WWG1WGA". This is the abbreviation of "Where We Go One We Go All", the slogan of the mysterious QAnon. Does this "Q" stand for "Quantum" and is the Quantum movement counting on Trump to implement its vision of law? The website includes transcripts of War Castles with Robert-Leroy:Horton, part 1 and part II, which are different videos from War Castles 1 through 13, but sharing the same introductory visual sequence. If I am reading the transcripts correctly: :Miller and :Gould say they have invented a new system, and :Gould has named himself Commander and Chief, Post Master General, of Planet Earth.

But none of the people actually in power have recognized his authority.

Robert LeRoy Horton says he's with the US Army Psychological Operations Command. QAnon often leaves "breadcrumbs" indicating some sort of insider connections. Trump, in turn, has begun to promote "Q" themes, which are basically promising that Trump is going to overthrow his "deep state" opponents. This ignores the fact that nobody is more deeply enmeshed in the "deep state" than Trump is.

How to explain all this? It seems to me that you are being played by a US Army psy-op which is incorporating aspects of :Miller and :Gould's fanciful legal and linguistic theories, being carried out for Trump's benefit.

Or maybe :Gould really is the Commander and Chief of Planet Earth, and I will come to recognize this in good time.

In the meanwhile, this has certainly been a most enlightening conversation!! [I understand more clearly now why I am continually finding myself so completely at odds with some of the folks at Vedrica Community, to the extent that we seem to be from different planets. -- retracted with my apologies. See below]

Jerry wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:16 pm Whether "anyone can start a community" depends on their skills and financial resources, as well as the scale of their aspirations.

Greetings Jerry,

I don't believe that quote is entirely true but the concept is extremely important to examine. It has claims that need questioned. Starting a community depends on ones willingness to dream such a dream and no more. A community founder does not need to have funds. Those can come from any number of outside sources. A community founder does not need any skills beyond the innate skill born in every Man, the ability to dream a bright future. The house building skill, road building skill, gardening skill, and so on, can be learned on the land or supplied from any number of other sources. A community founder's outcome, but not necessarily their success, will, indeed, be "determined by the scale of their aspirations". In other words, huge community aspirations can lead to a huge community outcome. Small community aspirations will, undoubtedly lead to a small community outcome unless the aspirations change. My point is that anyone can dream of founding a community. The Universe, then, supports our dreams, AS DREAMED with all of the blocks and hurdles placed in the dream, and draws the matching elements to the dream by the dreamer. Those needed elememts can be supplied by the dreamer or from other sources. The important thing is not to let the mind fall into the trap of thinking one doesn't have enough resources to make the community dream happen. Anastasia said,

When I dream I do not visualize any interference. All the challenges I can see on my path ahead can be overcome. (book 6, pg.80, black cover)

You wrote,

If a person would be content to live a nomadic house-free lifestyle on land they don't own, then there is no need to wait. That's what Anastasia did, unless I'm missing something.

I'd say you are missing the whole of Anastasia's reality. She is not nomadic, living on land that was once her parents' domain. She has exactly the kind of "house" she wants and is deeply connected to life on and off her domain. She has everything she needs and wants. She, the founding dreamer of the kins domains restoring the earth to a paradise garden, certainly did not provide funds, skills, land or anything except her dream and Vladimir's agreement to write and publish it.

And this is a lonely implementation of the Ringing Cedars model: the nearest like-minded person might be miles away.

Why insert unpleasant elements into your dream, Jerry, like loneliness, no like minded people nearby, limited resources, long necessary delays, hurdles blocking the path to the dream? These unpleasant images will either become your reality or will stop you from following your dream. Why include them in a dream to share on this forum? Do you believe that "It's just reality, and any intelligent person could see that"? I choose to explore the reality that Man's thought is an unparalleled force in all of space. So far, I've found this reality to be astoundingly real and powerful.

Only a very small percentage of people in the world, have the assets to be able to make gifts of free land to others.

I disagree. The majority of Americans retiring from 25 years at a $75,000/year income with a small retirement savings, can do what Ben and I did. We did it with less. Making gifts of free land to others on our little plot of land has nothing to do with having big assets but rather having a big dream and being willing to put everything into the dream. I will agree that there aren't many with a dream strong enough to make them willing to follow a path like ours. But the reality is that at this time there aren't many people willing to leave their modern lifestyles to build a kins domain dream. We at Charisma and Vedrica are proof that there is more than enough free and low cost kins domain parcels available for the number of people currently ready to build their kins domain dream. If the people could be provided for as well as in the billionaire story it would probably be different, but even there, the people in that story weren't kins domain dreamers. They were "landscape design specialists, botanists, and agronomists" recruited with the help of personnel firms, and contracted to live and create beautiful gardens. John Heitzman dreamed of creating beautiful gardens around Sally. He didn't dream of starting g a kins domain community. What we have done at Charisma, is to make a start. Where it will go remains to be discovered.

What I'm saying is, that IF your model of Ringing Cedars movement is that it should grow by means of gifts of land from the well-to-do to others, THEN the limiting factor is going to be the existence of those wealthy benefactors who are in a position to make gifts of family homesteads.

Ben and I are certainly not "well-to-do" but our needs are small. I don't claim that the RC movement "should" grow by any specific means, least of all only by means of gifts from others. I do claim that versions of this model solves many legal problems and can speed the movement in America where the Great American Dream is a serious hindrance to Anastasia's dream.

You are correct, Anastasia was not "nomadic". But did she have a "house" as such a structure is usually defined, with walls and a roof to protect against weather extremes and wild animals? I don't recall reading about one, but I haven't finished reading all the books.

Jerry wrote: Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:36 pm Section 15.04 describes the applicability of the entire building code, which states that it applies to "construction, enlargement, alteration, repair, moving, removal, conversion, demolition, occupancy, use, storage, height, area, maintenance, installation, inspection, design, operation, testing, handling, erection and fabrication of equipment, structures, and buildings within the County of Pueblo". These are verbs, with the implied subject being any person who carries out such actions.

Exactly. It is implied but not stated. Every jusdiction is required to publish it's specific limits of authority. "Implied" does not meet that requirement. The proof is in the demonstration. Every person I've seen stand their ground on this code, including myself, has been successful. I've never seen a failure yet.

You are a typical reader of legal codes, statutes and laws, accepting what is implied as if it were law, and ignoring what is explicitly written. This habit will stop you from making use of the disclosures given by each agency and section of government. That is the intent of the writers, to meet the legal requirements but in a way to confuse or scare off the readers.

The concept that one can evade these codes by writing a demand letter to local officials, and then construing their non-response as binding, is an example of the pseudolegal error of equating silence to consent.

Jerry, I don't know how we can have any kind of beneficial or even intelligent conversation with your habit of distorting what I write to support your own position. The letter I suggested one can write could not be characterized as a "demand" letter. It a letter of notice and request for clarification of authority beyond the explicit statement of jurisdictional limits placed in the code. Your legal "interpretation" has no demonstration but I have known many that build unhindered by local county agencies. You speak from belief in authorities whose purpose is to keep you in control under their jurisdiction. I don't live there.

Researching the "war castle" videos and Russell-Jay :Gould...

And yet again, you jump to a type of "researching" without any depth or comprehension of the actual information shared. You skipped entirely over the information I offered for your review and went straight to looking for information you could use to support an attack. The blogspot you "checked out" has nothing to with the man, Russel-Jay:Gould. Your third party method of gaining understanding rather than investing the time to do any serious study or examination of the info offered is seriously interfering with your ability to reason with the facts of the reality. I have no idea what Q stands for but this site has nothing to with the Quantum community.

If I am reading the transcripts correctly: :Miller and :Gould say they have invented a new system, and :Gould has named himself Commander and Chief, Post Master General, of Planet Earth.

If that is what you read you are again lost in third party pre-digested information. It's quick and easy "research" but not relevant to the actual reality. Since that is the only way you are willing to use your time and mind, relative to any I formation offered here what's the point of this discussion? It does more harm than good in this state of thinking.

But none of the people actually in power have recognized his authority.

You have no proof of that claim nor could you. Your research is far too shallow and removed from first hand reasoning. You are mistaken and I have seen the proof of your mistaken assessment.

Robert Leroy Horton is not part of the Quantum Community. There are many like him, however that can keep you certain that you are wise not to do any serious first hand examination of the facts and history.

...this has certainly been a most enlightening conversation!! I understand more clearly now why I am continually finding myself so completely at odds with some of the folks at Vedrica Community, to the extent that we seem to be from different planets.

Now that I know you better, and experience your character personally, I quite agree. Your way of thinking, reasoning and relating are quite out of harmony with many RC readers and highly educated legal researchers I've known. It fosters conflict over harmony. The situation at Vedrica makes a lot of sense at this point.

Blessings,

Jerry wrote: Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:25 pm You are correct, Anastasia was not "nomadic". But did she have a "house" as such a structure is usually defined, with walls and a roof to protect against weather extremes and wild animals? I don't recall reading about one, but I haven't finished reading all the books.

Jerry, I see no point in this type of interaction. It gains nothing and consumes time and energy to no purpose I can see.

Blessings and good wishes for your joy in living and harmonious relationships.

Joyce, English is a language in which implied grammatical constructs are clearly understood and perfectly valid. David Wynn Miller invented a new language which forbids such implications, but it is not legitimate to read legal English according to such standards.

My interpretation of your letter as a "demand" is another example of a reliance on implied meanings. You requested a response within 21 days, and stated a consequence if the recipient of the letter failed to comply with your request. That sounds like a "demand" to me.

Where you say that your techniques are sometimes successful, I do not deny it. Public agencies have limited resources and might not choose to pursue legal action to prevent building code violations in every case. Such successes at a trial court level have no value as legal precedent. Whenever these cases have been heard by an appellate level court on the record, these "sovereign citizen" or "quantum" legal theories have consistently failed.

Sometimes implied statements are fraudulent. Based on your claims, it seems possible that the makers of the "War Castles 1-13" videos featuring Russell Jay Gould, are fraudulently implying some sort of connection to the "War Castles 1-2" videos which were made much earlier, featuring Robert Leroy Horton. And perhaps no fraud was intended, inasmuch as they simply wanted to capitalize on the popularity of the earlier video series, and use the cool introductory graphics.

Similarly, posting a website with the URL of "russell-jay-gould.blogspot.com" would seem to imply some sort of connection or endorsement of Russell Jay Gould. But you are telling me that this website has nothing to do with him. Maybe you're right, and maybe this is an attempt by persons claiming to be affiliated with military intelligence, to subvert Mr. Gould and his message.

On the other hand, it is also possible that Robert Leroy Horton is indeed a person in good standing within the "Quantum movement" and so is the author of the blogspot site. In that case, your disparaging attempts to shame me for reading those websites and reviewing those videos, are simply gaslighting. I don't know what's going on here, and I have no interest in pursuing it further.

However, I do regret saying that "I understand more clearly now why I am continually finding myself so completely at odds with some of the folks at Vedrica Community, to the extent that we seem to be from different planets" and I hereby retract this statement, and apologize to the Vedrica Community for it. This was based on a hidden assumption in my own mind, that your views are representative of Vedrica participants. I have no basis for making any such assumption.

Thank you for your blessings and good wishes. While we clearly have some heated disagreements, I do honor and acknowledge that you are seeking to create a better world than the commercial one that I am now inhabiting. I wish you the best of success in realizing your goals.

Regards,

-Jerry

Greetings Jerry,
You wrote, "English is a language in which implied grammatical constructs are clearly understood and perfectly valid.". That is somewhat true in common use but not in legal use. Common English and legalese are not the same. All government documents and communications are written under the rules of legal communications.

You have full right to your opinions and whatever depth of validation you are willing to pursue in forming them. You are mistaken in your claim that the types of cases you mentioned have consistently failed at the appellate level. I have reviewed many cases that prove that mistake. I have also read several cases accessed through a party to the case, that have been sealed in order to support opinions like yours. We all have full right and freedom to choose a path and explore the results of that choosing. I'm grateful to those before me who have chosen not to subjugate theirs freedom and demonstrated success in doing so.

Hello Joyce,

You wrote:

You are mistaken in your claim that the types of cases you mentioned have consistently failed at the appellate level. I have reviewed many cases that prove that mistake.

I challenge you to present even one such case, and let us review it together. I am not too proud to admit if I have been wrong.

Regards,

-Jerry